Transcript by Gerard “Ged” Fagan.
From “Radio City”, 1981, Parkes states:
“Oh I knew him very well, very well. I knew him at school and knew him off school. I knew him exceptionally well. I remember him as a ladies man. He always went around in a dress suit and a collar, very smartly dressed. He said to me ‘Do you like me’ I said I don’t trust you. He came up the stairs into the kitchen, he was in insurance business, he was after business but his mind was always on other things. He tried to rob the son, he was caught going through a wardrobe where the son kept money. After that the boss said, we were told to close the door at night and not let him in. (His car) I think was a Swift, a little Swift and that’s a fact, the Atkinson’s overhauled the engine for him and never got paid because he never had the money to pay him, you had great difficulty getting money off him.
He came in the garage (PC Ken Wallace) he said ‘hello there John’ and I said ‘hello Ken’. He said ‘there’s been a bit of trouble there in Wolverton street in Anfield’. I said ‘why what’s gone wrong Ken?’ So he said ‘there’s been a murder committed and Mr Wallace has been charged with it’ (he hadn’t) So I said ‘that’s Parry’s friend’ and he said ‘that’s right’ and he said ‘I won’t discuss it too much with you because I’m a policeman’.
Later that night or early morning Parry came in with his car. I was busy in the garage I was washing some cars down in the garage and he says to me, ‘brought the car in, I want you to wash my car down’.
Well his car was clean as far as I can remember but I got the high powered, high pressure hose and I went all over the car, underneath, on top, inside, all the back, everywhere and I seen the glove there and I pulled it out as it would get wringing wet and he snatched it up and it was covered in blood and he said to me ‘if the police found that’ he said, ‘that would hang me!’ So I was a bit dubious about things you know and after that starts grabbing it and the bar, and about the bar he says he’s ‘hid the bar in a doctors house’ and he said he ‘dropped the bar down the grid outside a doctor’s house in Priory Road’. He was in an agitated state I can remember that I could tell by what he said and when I was washing the car down I knew why I was washing it down and I daren’t say anything and he said I want all that washed down with the high pressure hose and I realised me washing that car down I was washing everything away, the evidence was gone. The evidence was there on the glove, blood on the glove. If there’d been a witness there, him saying all that, would get me hanged that. I remember that as clear as daylight.
Yes yes without a shadow of doubt every partical of the car was washed where in other places they don’t wash and he stood over me while I did it and was telling me where to do and what to do and I went all over it completely all over it and the only surprising thing I saw was that glove and it had blood on it and it would hang him. Parry snatched it out my hand. I realised then he wanted me to swill the box out and the glove and all. It was a thumb and all fingers, this part was all fingers or just a thumb and I’m not sure now, I think it had a little tear in it and I had thigh boots on so I didn’t get wet. Any blood stains on it went down the grid.
Sometimes he’d come to the garage and be there until three or four in the morning then go home.
When I found the glove that made me more afraid, I thought I’ll have to be careful here now so I couldn’t say. He told me where the bar was, I couldn’t pick that up on conjecture, he told me where it was hidden down a grid outside a doctors surgery in Priory Road. Well I don’t know how many doctors were in Priory Road, he was in a state of insanity, he had to tell somebody, he had to tell somebody what he’d done he was that way gone and he told me everything. Now if I’d been a bit more wide awake I’d have got more out of him, he’d probably tell me more but all Parry was concerned with was me washing that car down thoroughly and he guarded over it and watched what I was doing and I remember that glove like I’m remembering you now and him telling me about the bar.
He was such a liar he could spin a yarn and get away with it and he used to have a bad habit. He’d come up into the kitchen where we were and he’d pick the phone up and he’d ring someone up who he never knew, he’d ring them up and talk to them and I’d say ‘you don’t want to do that Gordon, you’re getting people a bad name’ and he was in the dramatics society an all Gordon Parry and it was nothing to him to alter his voice. He could alter his voice like you changing a shilling. After the murder and he opened his mouth to me he suddenly came round with another chap then Mr Atkinson and his sons said to me ‘You come down the back entry of a night don’t you to work’ and I said ‘yes in the dark’ because I used to start about half past eleven. He said ‘don’t come down that way anymore in the dark’.
They didn’t want to get involved. There was a driver at Ellis’s, he knew and he didnt want to get involved, the policeman knew and he didnt want to get involved, all the Atkinsons knew and didnt want to, and people I spoke to, if someone had only backed me up and come forward I’d have cleared Wallace. Wallace would never had been convicted, the blood on the glove alone never mind.”
Mike Green who worked on the Radio City broadcast has the following to say, sent via Wilkes:
“I spoke to Mike Green who has a copy of the unedited interview with John Parkes, and he listened through to it for me, sending me the following notes:
John Parkes talks about the bloody glove and hosing the car down inside and out. He also says that the police later took possession of the car and examined it for blood, but found nothing.
He says Parry claimed to have dropped an iron bar down a drain in front of a doctor’s house in Priory Road. There’s no description of the bar (or where it came from) and Parkes said he saw nothing else in the vehicle apart from the bloody glove, which he says was like a leather mitten.
He claims he was told that Parry borrowed thigh boots and a mac from two people before the murder, but he was dressed “normally” when he visited with the motor car, a “dicky” Swift. He says the car was Parry’s own, not his father’s and he often brought it round.
Interestingly, he claims that the police staked out the garage after the murder and warned him that he needed to be careful using the back alley from his house, implying they were suspicious of Parry.
He also says Parry turned up a few days later with a man of similar age and implies that he might have been an accomplice.
Parkes says he told Gordon Atkinson and his two sons what had happened the day after Parry visited. He does not mention Dolly.
If you use any of this, please credit Mike Green as the interviewer.
Hope this is of some use.”